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US has Flock, ICE, PRISM and many other privacy horrors. I would much rather live in the UK than in the land of orange.

It’s the five eyes (probably more by now), not the one eye.

I mean, you are being filmed everywhere you go anyway by flock cameras, police/government cctv, even cctv on business and peoples house/ring doorbells etc. Concent to being filmed in a public place is not really asked anywhere, so I dont see it as a big difference personally.

Try to have the 24/7 cameras at chest level or lower, you'll find people starting to get uncomfortable. You can easily reach those angle with the glasses, and different with smartphone which also can, the glasses can be hard to distinguish.

Ring doorbell cameras are chest high and millions of homes have them. I would bet every time you walk down the street you are captured by loads of them, but because you dont know you dont care.

Ring doorbell cameras don't move and aren't attached to people's faces. Come on.

> Come on

I've said this out loud several times while reading the comments defending Meta under this post.

It's so interesting to see so many weak or misdirecting justifications. It's almost as if people are here to attempt to control the narrative for financial reasons.


I think the ironic thing in the video, is the employees of the company making the product, abject to the use of the product when it is directed towards them. So why should everyone else be comfortable with it.

But meta employs many thousands of people. Is it fair to say they all work on the meta glasses and/or all think they are a good idea? Just because you work for a company doesnt mean you share its morals.

Poor Tracy in accounts probably doesnt give 2 hoots about meta glasses, shes just an accountant and maybe she doesnt even know they exist. But now shes getting harassed by idiots with cameras as she goes into the office because of something another department on the other side of the country did.

If you were doing it to Zuck himself or following round the head of the smart glasses department then it might be different, but harassing general employees of meta is no better than any other company. These are normal people no matter where they work.


I cant believe this is a thing. I just turned on dead comments and there are loads of them, most I dont consider offensive or bad in any way. I had no idea HN was so severely censored, my opinion of it has gone down (even though I assume this comment will now be killed).

Look through the history of the commenters who are shadowbanned (the reason all their comments are dead) and you usually find out relatively quickly how they ended up in that situation. I cannot think of a single instance where dang banned someone for being critical of HN, ycombinator, disagreeing with them, etc, it is always because someone cannot maintain a basic level of civility.

Maybe post two comments about it, maybe in different stories, and ask people that respond with bewilderment to post twice as well.

Anyone can just go on Temu and easily buy stalking gadgets like gps trackers and tiny spy cameras etc for very little money. Any legislation against this type of thing would need to be very wide reaching to be effective, as there are much cheaper and easier to obtain devices which secretly film than meta glasses.

Not something to be worn on your face.

They cant if they dont have an Instagram account. Easy solution.

This "ban all kids" kind of take is bananas to me. It implies you either A) believe we should trust famously secure and benevolent tech companies with government ID or B) believe parents have the time or technical know-how to exhaustively monitor the internet access of kids. Even as a software engineer, I've found it insanely tiresome to try operating half-assed parental controls across devices.

The world is not black and white, it is possible to have completely different opinions to the narrow dichotomy you have presented.

Please educate me on what other options are viable for keeping kids off social media.

Heres a favourite of mine. Apple & Google were/still are syphoning off all mobile device push messages to US government. They flat out denied it for years until it got leaked from another source, as soon as it was out in the open they admitted and said they were doing it all along but weren't allowed to tell anybody due to government NDAs.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/governments...

These aren't conspiracy theories, these types of secret agreements happen all the time.

EDIT: it seems the original poster I was replying to has deleted their post, and so this may not make as much sense in the thread now.


This kind of attitude is why some people cant find jobs. Meanwhile the ones who just emailed their cv and didnt overthink it are happily working.

What kind of attitude? Wanting employers to respect my goddamned time? Wanting to know how much employers are willing to pay for my services?

Yeah. I want a job listing to actively tell me how much I stand to gain in exchange for my time and skills. How absolutely entitled of me. Imagine that? A potential employee wanting to know upfront how much their time is worth in the eyes of a potential employer? Nonsense! You get what you get and you don’t get upset.

If that’s your line of reasoning then I can only assume you’re exactly the type of employer that indulges in such practices.


The UK is currently passing laws to make every job listing include salary:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg7gg2zdexo


That’s a good start.

It would be nice if they passed a law to also make every job listing represent an actual job opening at the actual company (or their representative). There are too many postings that are all about "collecting people", forming candidate algorithms, tracking applicants, and mining. It is really grotesque.

Good luck on your job hunt.

Very kind of you good stranger. I’m not job hunting at the moment but I appreciate the support!

Taking time off your existing role to do multiple interviews for something that turns out to pay 10-15% less than you are currently on is insulting.

how are you getting to multiple interviews without having a concrete-ish idea of what the pay will be?

literally the first thing I talk about with recruiters during an initial phone screen.

yeah okay there may be a ~5-10k, maybe even a little more, bit of wiggle-room but if I can't make a reasonable guess where I'll land why would I even consider interview #2 when I already have an existing role?


This is not helpful and untrue, if you've tried to apply for jobs within the laat ~6+ years you will know it's screaming into the void. New accounts for the N+ glassdoor/indeed/bamboo/handshake/yougettheidea clones. Poorly pulling information from an uploaded resume, requiring manually editing or adding the info _every_ time. If your dilligent/dumb you writing a cover letter for each one (no AI the signal is too bad), then you submit it and wait an arbitrary amount of time for the rejection. There is a good reason people are complaining, it's asinine to put this on jpb seekers.

>then you submit it and wait an arbitrary amount of time for the rejection

You get rejections? When I was jobhunting, half of the companies I applied to never replied to me.


> if you've tried to apply for jobs within the laat ~6+ years you will know it's screaming into the void

I have applied for, and got, 3 jobs in the last 8 years. So yeah I think I am allowed an opinion on it without people telling me Im wrong.


Two things can be true. I’ve applied to a few jobs in the last few years and got a few of them as well. Does not mean that the hoops I had to jump through were any less demeaning, disrespectful or downright stupid.

It is even weirder in my case. I am not applying for any jobs, recruiters reach out to me. After exchanging plesantries with HR ladies at video calls they ask me what are my salary expectations. I explain them there are two options. For full time employment I expect them to give me their best offer for me to consider. For consulting I expect them to give me exact goals so I can give them exact quote. I mostly never hear back from them, in rare cases they say their technical colleagues reviewed my resume and decided I am not appropriate candidate. I suspect most of them are just mining data about salary expectations.

If OP is a hiring manager, they're on the other side of the job market right now. It can be true that managers have no problems getting jobs and the rest of us do.

Nobody is allowed to do anything without someone telling them they're wrong.

Three jobs in 8 years? Seems like a red flag, we want to hire someone who will stick around.[1]

1. (Actual feedback I got in an interview two weeks ago, for a position no sane person would want to stay in for longer than two years.)


Fair enough, dont hire me. There are thousands of jobs out there.

Greenhouse saves your info and auto fills it. Companied that use Ashby are pretty much upload your resume. Only workday sucks or other random small ones that show up.

Workday is the only one of these I’ve heard of or encountered in the US.

Probably because workday sucks so much that you notice it.

>the ones who just emailed their cv and didnt overthink it are happily working.

Tell that to the last 3 years of new grads.


"Just email your cv" is literally impossible at many employers today. the app process is absolutely far more onerous for the applicant than it was a generation ago. For a bit of silver lining, I have noticed the "auto-populate from my resume" feature actually works reasonably well on some sites, which was not the case just a couple years ago when I was last looking.

Also, in some orgs you physically cannot send the cv.

I can't send or recieve documents as email attachments anymore to external stakeholders, everything must be via sharepoint link.

That, plus a decade of compulsory anti phishing training means no half competent HR person should be blind opening an attachment that says 'CV'.


I don't know a single person who's got a job by just emailing their CV. In fact, it reads as asinine as the idea that you can get a job by just showing up in person with a good handshake.

Two times I posted in the "Who wants to be hired?" HN thread in the past few years, I had a job within the month. Both times, I did not even have any resume or CV at all. But this year, I've been posting there for over 6 months and nothing. Not sure if attitude is such a big factor -- the job market kinda does what it does. You do make a mistake by not putting yourself out there though, because then there's basically no chance that an opportunity will come your way. One comment in an HN thread could be your ticket, or you could be applying to thousands of listings for months and getting nothing but the occasional rejection (though of course, never nearly as many as you made applications).

I googled and literally the first result was LATAM Airlines who have 44,000 employees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LATAM_Airlines


I think he means "software companies".

Large companies exist, but pure software companies or with heavy side of it?


Airlines and state owned companies seem to be the exception

ok, that statement seems a bit different than your previous one of "No company in LATAM has 10000 people."

Except for the companies who have 10000 people, no companies in LATAM have 10000 people.

I think we can all agree No True LATAM company would have 10,000 employees.

Love the logic, have an upvote.

So América Móvil doesn't have nearly 200k? There are plenty of LATAM companies with more than 10k people.

This was an intentional fallacy for comedic effect, specifically "No True Scotsman"

Why is that an issue? Sounds like they made the account when they started the project, and have just used it to promote said project now that it is on the market.

The doctor who wrote the article is Australian, not American.

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