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They have to do exactly this in Australia and a burger is still $20-22 all up.

It wasn’t night for all of Asia or Europe?


Sure but the robots that extend our capabilities often start by replicating our current capabilities, even if those are as simple as folding clothes. It provides a baseline for the next generation of robots that can do more.


Is there evidence of any state-sponsored bots at all? It seems like this has become an accepted fact but I don’t see any data indicating it’s actually real.


Pretty sure there isn't.

HN has lots of hellbanned bots lately (I have showdead on [1]) but I never notice ones pushing a political slant. But I suppose nation states conducting a campaign on Hacker News would be much too cunning to make the bots obvious

[1] because many posts get wrongly flagged, apparently in part by trigger-happy users who will flag anything with incidental similarities to AI prose (everyone, PLEASE STOP DOING THAT), in part because HN's automoderation is severe for new users, and in part because plenty of people get hellbanned either unfairly or although they do still write plenty of worthwhile posts. I even rescued someone who it turned out had been hellbanned by a mod by accident.


This is the key though: it’s not just supposed subsidies, because the Chinese companies are fundamentally just faster and more efficient


I would argue the real answer is world class supply chain for high tech manufacturing. And that supply chain is heavily subsidised.


Not just subsidised, but the supply chain is literally in the same block.

That's the thing Chinese do where other countries can't compete. If you're making product X, all of your suppliers are within walking distance around your assembly line.

In Europe they might be 4 countries over.


I’m convinced this is a joke by Ives cause there’s no way he’d approve that description without checking it had 90 degrees


Why not, he's a thieving idiot.


Off topic, but how do you operate without email? Is it not essential for many government services and utilities where you are?

(Here, it is technically optional for utilities but is an additional $10/month to have your electricity bill posted to you instead of emailed. The tax office requires email as does my bank though - I just checked.)


>optional for utilities but is an additional $10/month

Our local utility offers a one-time $10 credit for opting-out of paperbilling... most similar signups do/will require in-person verification – which I consider a 'perk' at this point in my life (for identity protection reasons).

>how do you operate without email?

There're a few dozen million of us non-email users; granted most are infirm in some way (whether to age or insanity).

A civil court action several years ago required me to sign attensation to "no phone / email" – which at the time was still true. As I am not an attorney, they cannot refuse my access pro se to the legal system – this case eventually required me to seek representation, so this became moot.


Batch can take up to 24 hours (and often does) and may never complete if it gets cancelled so it’d be hard to build a user workflow around unless you kick off planning on Friday and come back Monday


Outlook and iCloud support a subset (like tickets and reservations) too


For $0.70/call, why don’t you take the offer? Surely that’s extremely profitable for you?


I don't condone the practice, and I don't want to run afoul of anthropic or risk my reputation for it


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