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Because the UK wants them. They can stop the boats at any time. They can stop feeding and housing them at any time. They come because the UK government and NGOs provide them with a comfortable life.

I think you mean "Because the UK wants them, only 2% or so of illegal immigrants arrive by boats".

Boris Johnson did Brexit "to stop the immigrants" ... and opened the floodgates. The very opposite of what his campaign promised. The very opposite of WHY the British public wanted Brexit.


It's the minimum requirement under ECHR. The government does actually have to comply with its legal obligations, this isn't America. They can't choose to just ignore them.

This is why the problem hasn't been fixed. You can't say "just do X" when X isn't legal. Do you really think nobody's thought of this? That the government actually likes being in this position of the past decade or so?


The ECHR says you must give prisoners the vote. Successive UK governments chose to ignore that part.

So don’t be so sure about “can’t” versus “won’t”.


Yes indeed, that is the oft-cited fatal flaw of remaining in the ECHR.

But that aside: why come to the UK?


The ECHR is actually very loose with their definitions and gives the governments much freedom.

The UK chooses to interpret and enforce them as they do. Other european countries are within ECHR limits and deal with it entirely differently.

The UK elites no longer have the EU to blame for their policies, so they speak about ECHR. On the continent people barely know ECHR exists.


Much like the residents of Martha's Vinyard, I am sure all have been very progressive, until it was time to have migrants in their back yards.

> until it was time to have migrants in their back yards

How did the migrants get to Martha's Vineyard?


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/16/migrants-marthas-vi...

They were of course removed from the community swiftly.


You're implying they should have been kept there? I'm not following. It looks like they were maliciously sent there without an agreement, and still were treated humanely and forwarded somewhere that agreed to take them...? You're criticizing this?

And the border communities loved having them there and invited them? Everything I said was factual. The voters of those northern communities love supporting policies as long as they happen someplace else. A thing called luxury beliefs.

From your link:

> Although their travel to Massachusetts was facilitated by DeSantis, the migrants who arrived on Martha’s Vineyard on Wednesday came from Texas. The DeSantis administration paid an aviation company, Vertol Systems Company Inc., $615,000 to transport the migrants from San Antonio to the exclusive vacation enclave.

So Florida spent $615,000 to pick up some people from Texas and dump them on an island in Massachusetts?

...and you imagine that this makes the people in Massachusetts look bad?

Yeah. I don't know what to tell you, dude.


Nice straw man you have there.

Human trafficking political stunt by embezzling politicians

This was voted down but it is to the point, NIMBYism is more the rule than the exception when it comes to this subject.

This is more likely going to be a situation where they were always xenophobic.

There's a rather uncomfortable interview with a local resident (of many years) who is Australian with a Jamaican husband, saying "well great now I know all my neighbours hate foreigners".


This isn't a good example of xenophobia, assuming you are using the word for its colloquial implications (I.e. simple race-adjacent hatred, and not just the fear of a large group of new strangers of a culture or circumstance that is alien to your community).

Thinking that not liking over 1000 men moving in next to a small village is purely "hatred of foreigners" is mind-blowingly race-brained.

It's not xenophobia to not want foreigners to outnumber you 4 to 1 in your hometown.

Not so much "in" as "next to"; https://maps.app.goo.gl/ERuytwVias2Lmfof9 - it's the area above and to the right of the prison, HMP Bullington.

…so xenophobic that they voted for both a Liberal Democrat MP and Mayor?

Kids do think about death. Hiding or avoiding the discussion does nothing. My kids absolutely adored Brothers Lionheart.

Have you read the book or your kids just read it without you knowing what is it about?

This book says basically - no biggie, there is no death, you commit suicide to move to another level to be with your brother, you can't lose him, you have infinite lives in this videogame called Life. And what if I F up the next level? no biggie, you just commit suicide again to be with him, there is no such thing as permanent death/separation from your loved ones, after each death you just move to another level. That's really F up thing to teach small kids, who should know death is permanent.


I think you miss the point of this book. Karl had tuberculosis, Jonathan died saving him from a fire despite knowing Karl would soon die (which he did). No suicide there, only tragedy. Then they had an "afterlife" which is full of the adventure they wished they had when they were alive - which also means that there's some serious darkness there to fight, so not heaven by any means. In the end, Karl gets to do for Jonathan essentially what he did for him, and they're ready to move on. They didn't commit suicide, they were already dead. I don't think a single Swedish kid killed themselves over misunderstanding this book, they didn't miss the part that the brothers really treasured life and it was a tragedy that they died in the first chapter.

Yes I have read it. Kids are not retarded.

I don't know why you are down voted. Death was so much more present in kids lives back then. Death from diseases and injuries so common. Kids having dead siblings entirely normal.

The writing of Charles Dickens support this thesis strongly!

Musk probably made more dollar millionaires than anyone in history. Facebook advertisers use it because it works and reaches a hell of a lot of people.


I don't think Facebook advertisers are being particularly irrational, it's just very interesting to point out how this ad business, despite leaving most of its users ultimately unsatisfied, can be so profitable.


I think you are projecting your biases.


I’m probably biased, but do you really think Meta is, on net, a positive to the world?


I don't think that is an answerable question. It is just an excuse for people justifying a hamfisted intervention into society that actually would do more harm than good.

There is a malaise in the west and Meta is just a symptom. More institutional power is a bad idea when institutions are dysfunctional.


OLED also has a deep history with a pretty famous opinions that it is impossible and a waste of time and money for companies to invest in the development. So does AI. From inception to product it is normal for decades to pass.

Compute needs change. AI needs are pretty unique in terms of scale and type of compute requirements to anything else so far.


So completely unnecessary.


i.e. enthusiasts. The cheapest, most demanding, the loudest and least loyal customers.


Every time we tried it, it resulted in a worse experience than we knew could be done using native stacks. It is like using sand as a foundation for your house. Random version updates break random things. As soon as you need something a bit advanced on the platform, you are stuck with some barely supported library. Easy to start, hard to maintain and hard to ship a solid product.


The body gets used to melatonin. It is actually a crap sleep supplement. It works worse every time you take it. What you should be doing is give the body the ingredients it needs to make its own melatonin like it is suppose to work.


Hmm no there's no little evidence to support the body getting used to external melatonin and not making its own in response


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