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> between the macbook and my framework - not enough of a difference to really be that upset about (my biggest complaint is mostly just battery life).

Battery life, weight/portability, ergonomics are critical for a great mobile computing experience.



And none of these are meaningfully different on high end laptops from other providers.

Apple had a window with M1 devices where I'd probably agree they were just better. Apple also has a history of making devices that are very expensive, and have a corresponding higher quality (ex - in the 2000s when most laptop manufacturers were racing to the bottom, and things like the Eee pc were considered hot - lots of garbage quality windows machines).

But many manufacturers today have entries in the "High quality, high price" category, and they're very similar.

Ex - https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-14-lapt...

The size is almost identical to an M5 laptop, the battery life is almost identical to an M5 laptop, the touchpad is almost identical to an M5 laptop (personally, I actually like the touchpad on the xps slightly more because the cutout on the front of macbooks is sharp, and I find it annoying and painful for long use, but I also have very large hands and I'm left handed).

And also - the price is functionally the same as the new M5 laptops.

All of those land in the +/- 10% range of each other. With just slight differences (ex - I can get a touchscreen on the XPS if I want, but it makes the battery life 15hrs instead of 18hrs on the macbook. The XPS is also fractionally lighter (3lbs vs 3.4lbs). The macbook is ~10% faster on single core benchmarks then the intel series 3, but identical to slightly worse on multicore. etc...)

Basically - unless you're actually using different machines here... stop it, you're talking out your ass (cough - fanboy - cough).

Even the framework... yes - it's clearly not as "good" as the $3600 macbook I have. I don't expect it to be given I paid ~$1500 for it. But it also excels in other areas that make it worth considering - I have 3 young kids, and I've had the screen pulled flat several times, the touchpad got a cup of milk dumped in it, and my oldest shoved a screwdriver into a usb-c port. Turns out new screen hinges were ~$19, the touchpad was ~$21, and the replacement port was $9. All done at home myself with simple tools.

Compared to several trips to a store and weeks without a laptop... that's a type of ergonomics that I prefer right now.




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